John Demby on the Salesforce Admins Podcast

For this episode of the Salesforce Admins Podcast, we bring back John Demby, Senior Manager of Tableau Portfolio and Strategy, to recap his experience at Dreamforce. You may or may not have seen him in the background in a silver cowboy hat repping his native Texas.

Join us as we talk about the future of Tableau, Flow, and Salesforce.

You should subscribe for the full episode, but here are a few takeaways from our conversation with John Demby.

Scavenger hunt results!

We did a little scavenger hunt to celebrate International Podcast Day on September 30. Here’s the thread with the five questions:

And now…the winners

And some honorable mentions who got all but one

Slack integrations and SOQL coming for Tableau

John actually got to attend Dreamforce in person this year — he was happy to see that Tableau was a part of almost every demonstration. It just goes to show how far we’ve come with integrations, but there’s a lot more to get excited about.

“We’re going to enable you to have a conversation with your data in Slack,” John says, and get follow-up information and explanations as to why your data is doing what it’s doing. There are more pre-built templates and content for Salesforce coming in Tableau, and tons more that were showcased at Dreamforce, including full SOQL support for connectors.

The power of Tableau and Flow

John also wanted to share that they’re going to be delivering integration from Tableau into Salesforce Flow, and you can sign up now to try the pre-release. Tableau is all about the three steps of unlocking your data, analyzing it, and then taking action.

“Flow gives us that act portion,” John says, so you no longer have to pivot out of a visualization. You can make an analysis and then let Flow do the dirty work.

New tools for sustainability

One thing that has been on everybody’s mind in light of the pandemic is sustainability. As we’re rebuilding supply chains and getting the global economy started again, we’re rethinking how we can still do these things but keep the environmental impact in mind. One of the things that John is looking forward to is a new Dashboard Starter for Sustainability Cloud. You can look at your carbon impact and make some decisions about how to bring it down or even get to zero.

There’s a Tableau Conference coming up in November that you shouldn’t miss. It’s all virtual, so it’s never been easier to attend.

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Full Transcript

Mike Gerholdt: Welcome to the Salesforce Admins Podcast, where we talk about product, community, and career to help you become an awesome admin. And this week, we’re talking with John Demby, senior manager of Tableau Portfolio and Strategy, about his experience at Dreamforce. You might have seen John lurking around in the background of some of the videos and keynotes. I saw him in the admin main show. He had a wonderful silver cowboy hat because John is from Texas and good friend of the pod, ton of really cool stuff in this that we talk about Tableau.
He is going to be driving all the really cool Tableau strategy around flow and Salesforce and Salesforce at Tableau. And it’s going to be a regular thing, John and I talking. Now, before we get to John’s interview, we did a little bit of a scavenger hunt last week. I don’t know if you follow us on social. I only promote that every single podcast. But last week on Twitter, we did a little bit of a scavenger hunt.
It was international podcast day, thought we’d have some fun with all of you. And so we asked you five questions, and we threaded them below. Thanks to Brittany for doing all that. Those five questions, question number one: who was the guest on today, which would’ve been the September 30th monthly retro. And that was, of course, Jen Lee. And what was the title of the podcast episode about the admin main show at Dreamforce 2021? Fill in the blank of this podcast episode. Create your own Salesforce experience with … And that was with Gordon Lee.
Question number four: what organization helped Michelle Corwin get hands-on job experience. And question number five: what does Adam Doty say are the six phases of design thinking? And drum roll, we had five winners that got … no, wait, I can’t even count. We had six winners that got five out of five correct. And the first one to get five out of five correct is Janet Elliot. Congratulations to you. We’ll pop confetti. Poof. Yay!
So Janet, you should get a … everybody should follow her. She is @itsmeJanet_E, a really cool Twitter handle. And next up, we had … and I’m going to do my best on all of your names. I apologize if I get some part of it wrong. I’m going to say [Prianka Shidari]. And she is @Prianca_SFDC. Sweet, I like that. Way to fit Salesforce into it. Raymond Gutierrez, he is @SalesforceRay with capital R. That’s cool. I like that. Oh, hey, friend of the pod, Sarah Pilzer. She’s been on some videos @SPilzer. You can follow Sarah.
Okay. We’re going to really try here, Sowmyabhat. Sowmya is on Twitter @_. Ooh, that’s going to throw you right away @_S-O-W-M-Y-A-B-H-A-T, Sowmya. Sowmya? Yeah, that looks like it to me. And then Dave Dudek, Dave, friend of the pod. I think we’ve talked at many a world tours. @redsoxsad is Dave’s Twitter handle. And you know what? A couple of honorable mentions. He came really close, really close, like, ah, got all of them but one. Adwait Gogate @A-D-W-A-I-T-G-O-G-A-T-E, Adwait. And Ayushi Goyal, I think that’s how you’ll say that. Ayushi is @A-Y-U-S-H-I-G-O-Y-A-L2502. Maybe Ayushi is living in the future, like the year 2502. I don’t know. Could be.
Anyway. Thank you for listening to the pod. Thank you for participating in our scavenger hunt, having fun with us online. We’d like to do more of these. We could do more. They’re interesting. If you have ideas, I’d love to hear them. Be sure to give me a tweet. But, hey, you know what? We’re here to talk Tableau with John Demby. Let me tell you how cool of an episode this is. You’ll also want to just smoke some brisket or something afterward because every time I talk to John, funny enough, I get hungry for barbecue. So with that, let’s get John on the podcast. So John, welcome to the podcast.

John Demby: Hey, thanks, Mike. Glad to be here

Mike Gerholdt: Yeah. Well, you’re always welcome back. I feel like it’s been too long since we’ve last chatted. So what’s new with you?

John Demby: Well, as you probably said in the intro, I have a new job at Tableau. I now work in our portfolio and strategy group, helping bring together Salesforce and Tableau synergies and really trying to advance what we’re doing between Tableau and Salesforce.

Mike Gerholdt: Yeah. No, that’s really cool. I mean, you helped us out with Trailhead DX and Trailblazers Innovate and a whole bunch of stuff, so I feel like this is a perfect fit. It’s a perfect fit of where I would put John to help Tableau and Salesforce be awesome stuff for admins.

John Demby: Cool. Yeah. No, I’m looking forward to it. And I come with a pretty long laundry list of things I’d like to see us do, so hopefully, and a lot of those with admins in mind. So …

Mike Gerholdt: A wishlist.

John Demby: Yeah, a wishlist.

Mike Gerholdt: I also was tuning in to Dreamforce, and I saw a cowboy hat a few times, hard to miss.

John Demby: Yeah.

Mike Gerholdt: Tell me about … This was your second in-person Dreamforce as a Salesforce employee. And I think we chatted before I pressed record. Your first was 2019, which was the super mega crazy big Dreamforce.

John Demby: Yeah, like 170,000 of your best friends.

Mike Gerholdt: Just like all of the United States just tipped the scales over to San Francisco. This is a little bit different than that. So I’d love to know, what was it like?

John Demby: I loved being with people again. I mean, I think we are starting to realize that even though we can work from anywhere, and we have these great collaborative tools and things like that, there’s still an aspect of being with people that just brings the energy and excitement out with anything you do. So I was thrilled we were able to bring Trailblazers, which there already are fanatic fans anyway. And so they brought the energy and lots of those awesome admins out there. And so I loved seeing that.
It was a very intimate format, so it was cool in that we weren’t running all around San Francisco trying to meet and get into sessions. But you saw these little campfire setups where people were just hanging out and talking and looking at what we could do with Salesforce and make that move forward. And of course, I have to comment on … I mean, it’s a once in a lifetime opportunity to see the Foo Fighters, but to see them up close in a intimate setting like that was just awesome, especially when, as Dave Grohl says, especially when the Teletubbies came up on stage. That was definitely something.

Mike Gerholdt: I heard about that. Hilarious.

John Demby: Einstein’s got some moves. I tell you what. And Ruth does too.

Mike Gerholdt: The picture I saw was Ruth on their head.

John Demby: Yeah, Ruth has some moves. But, man, Einstein was fluffing his mustache, doing all sorts of fun stuff up there on stage.

Mike Gerholdt: And Dave Grohl was healthy? I ask that because the last time we saw Foo Fighters, I want to say it was 2016, 2015, and it was out somewhere. They had to bus us there. And I remember finally thinking I had found the stage and seeing Dave Grohl in this huge Game of Thrones throne because he had this massive leg brace on.

John Demby: Oh yeah, I remember that when he had … No, he definitely was hopping around stage. He even treated us to … I think they went off their playlist a little bit. I think once the Salesforce characters came on stage, it all fell apart at that point, at what they planned to do. And we even got to see him play drums, so-

Mike Gerholdt: Oh, wow!

John Demby: It was definitely one of those once in lifetime opportunities. I hope a lot of the people on the podcast got to see it live. I know we don’t have it on the Salesforce Plus broadcast, rebroadcast, but yeah, it definitely was true to form for Dreamforce entertainment.

Mike Gerholdt: Now I know you weren’t just there to hang out with Dave Grohl, your best friend, but to do some Tableau stuff. So I would love to know what was important for you and Tableau to highlight this year at Dreamforce.

John Demby: Oh, sure. Yeah. We basically … One of the cool things that I think came from Dreamforce this year was somebody actually made this comment where … that we were in, or we were part of everything. So everything you looked at, if it was part of Marc’s keynote, or if it was part of some other body’s keynote, Tableau was present. And so it helped show some of the integration work we’ve done in bringing the Tableau brand and really analytics as Salesforce analytics into play.
But we announced a lot of really cool stuff. We showed off our Slack vision where, today, we’ve actually got integrations out of the box with Slack, and we’re going to do more with that. We’re going to enable you to be able to have a conversation with your data inside of Slack and to get follow-up information and get explanations as to why your data’s doing what it’s doing. So we showcased some of that.
We showcased we’re doubling down on developing prebuilt templates and content for Salesforce in Tableau. And so we showcased some of that as well, really exciting things like we’re developing content for Sustainability Cloud 2.0, Commerce Cloud, the new customer data platform CDP. So we showcased some of that.
And then my favorite for the admins, because it was in my session, is this last release, we introduced full SOQL support for our connectors. So now you can write a full SOQL statement, create and get as many of those related objects as you want and just get the data you want directly into Tableau, so that was cool. And then we snuck in something that I think I had talked to Leanne about when I was on her session. But we are really close to delivering integration from Tableau into Salesforce Flow. We’re actually in a preview mode right now, where if you go to and sign up, you can actually get the code and the desktop install to be able to connect directly to Salesforce Flow.

Mike Gerholdt: With Salesforce Flow and Tableau, what are some of the use cases that you’re looking at?

John Demby: Oh, I mean, the sky’s the limit with Flow. We’re actually going to integrate into the other automation platforms as well around Salesforce, so MuleSoft will come at some point. But what we thought about with Flow is if you take our go-to-market strategy, which is unlock your data, analyze it, and then act upon it, Flow gives us that act portion. So no longer do you have to pivot out of a Viz or something.
It could be something as simple as what we showed at Dreamforce in our demo was you did a what-if analysis on payment terms on invoices that were predicted to be either on time or late from Einstein Discovery. And once you found the right payment terms, you could actually pass that customer over to Salesforce Flow and then start the approval process to change their payment terms right there. You don’t have to manually go send off a whole bunch of emails or Slacks or something like that. You just kick it off and say, “Hey, we want to change these payment terms.” But that’s the example we showed at Dreamforce, but there’s so many opportunities. It could be wrangling a whole bunch of leads on a dashboard and then deciding you wanted to add those to a campaign. Do it with a Flow.

Mike Gerholdt: Hmm, I didn’t think of that. That’s very cool.

John Demby: Yeah.

Mike Gerholdt: I think it’s always fun for our admin community to go to Dreamforce and for you to go to Dreamforce. I’d love to know what was the most important thing you learned at this Dreamforce?

John Demby: I think I’ve really got a lot out of … I know that Marc, our CEO and uber leader always brings it when it comes to his Dreamforce keynotes, but I felt like we’ve always held trust as being our number one tenant here at Salesforce, and rightly so because customers trust their data and their processes, and really, their business with us. But really, the whole idea of the trusted enterprise really resonated with me. And as admins, I think it’s a trickle-down effect. I think there’s a lot of trust that’s been placed in an admin on a Salesforce org to do a lot of things and to enable their company to be, either right or wrong, trustworthy in the marketplace.
And so, I thought the whole trust and enterprise message was very well done. The idea that it’s not just trust from a data perspective, but it’s trust in your employees to work from anywhere. It’s trust to do something about the environment. It’s trust to do … making sure that we’re just being good corporate citizens out there in the world.

Mike Gerholdt: Yeah, I would agree, I think. And I’ve been around the Salesforce messaging for a long time, being in the ecosystem before I joined. That trust umbrella got bigger. Right? As I was watching a morning show, they talk about the pandemic reset, where we’re having to rethink shipping chains, and transportation, and logistics, and the materials that we use. And I look at it the same way too, as what is the responsibility, not only of that company, to get you the product that you want, but to do so in a manner that doesn’t ruin the Earth to get it to you? Right?
And I don’t think we ever thought of it that way. Right? I remember this website a few years ago that would tell you the amount of carbon emissions put out every time you sent a tweet. It was relating back to how much it took to power that server in order to run Twitter to send that tweet. And I don’t think you think about that living in a electronic technology world. Right? Because as I’ve talked with product managers across Salesforce for a number of years now, their hobbies are often tactile because the world that we live in is nothing that we can touch and feel at the end of the day.
And I bet a lot of admins do this too. Their hobby outside of Salesforce involves making something physical or doing something physical because when you create the dashboard in Salesforce, when you create a Tableau visualization, if you turn your monitor off or you turn your computer off, it doesn’t exist. Right? Like object permanency. Whereas if you go outside, and you play in the mud, and you make a big pile of mud, and you make a mud sandcastle, as long as it doesn’t rain, it’s probably still going to be there tomorrow. You know? But the level of also trusting that what that organ organization is doing to deliver that technology is being a good citizen of the Earth and being a good citizen of resources as well.

John Demby: Yeah. In fact, one of the things I’m excited that we’re working on is a dashboard starter for Sustainability Cloud. And one of the aspects of that dashboard we’re doing is enabling a what-if analysis inside of the dashboard so that, as a company, you can see what your carbon numbers are, and then you can do some what-if analysis to try to figure out how you could neutralize that or bring it to net zero.
But yeah, and then you talk about tactile hobbies. Mine, I actually have a carbon-neutral hobby in sailing, except that even if I want to say that’s carbon neutral, there’s still people that spent energy building my sails and stuff like that. But at least once I get out of the marina and I turn off my engine, at least it’s just me and the wind.

Mike Gerholdt: Right. I had no idea you sailed.

John Demby: Yeah.

Mike Gerholdt: So is there often … I mean, there’s places, I guess, in Texas. You’re still in Texas, right?

John Demby: Yeah. No, I’m still in Texas. Yeah.

Mike Gerholdt: I will say, as trying to be not too close-minded, I don’t equate sailing in Texas.

John Demby: No, and probably most people don’t, but we do for those that are fortunate to live down near the Gulf. Of course, we have the Gulf of Mexico. But here’s a little trivia for the podcast listeners. Texas only has one natural lake, and so every lake that has been formed in Texas has been a manmade lake.

Mike Gerholdt: Really?

John Demby: Yeah. So Lake Caddo or Caddo Lake near the Louisiana, Texas border is a natural lake, but everything else is either a Corps of Engineer lake, or some other municipality created it, or some farmer decided to dam up a creek or something, but-

Mike Gerholdt: Interesting.

John Demby: But yeah, so I call it Prairie Lake sailing, and in a way, it’s actually more fun because it’s not like sailing on the ocean because one day the winds are going to come one way, and the other day, the winds are going to come a different way. So no two days on sailing on a lake is the same here in Texas.

Mike Gerholdt: Yeah. Plus, you got to worry about turning around.

John Demby: Yeah, yeah. No, you run out of space pretty well.

Mike Gerholdt: There’s no infinite water.

John Demby: Yeah. No, you can’t stay on that tack for very long until you have to tack, so I can usually get a mile or two out of a tack before I have to turn around.

Mike Gerholdt: Yeah. Wow! That is fascinating. I saw a Slack post today, November 9th through the 12th there is a Tableau conference. And I bring it up because I want to make sure that admins note to attend. Can you tell us a little bit about that Tableau conference?

John Demby: Oh, absolutely. Yeah. In fact, it’s a mini … When we could do them in person, I would call them a mini-Dreamforce because no, we never got to the crazy numbers, like in 2019, but we would actually get close to 17, 18,000 people. And there was a time period where, just probably like Dreamforce, we were doubling every year the amount of people that were coming. I’ve always thought that the whole slashtag or hashtag data film and the hashtag awesome admin, those groups ought to get together because they’re both just crazy and excited about their products.
But yeah, the Tableau conference this year will be all virtual. So it’s, in a way, very similar to the experience that people have for Dreamforce. We’ve got several days of content. There’ll be some … I know of one particular session I’m excited about. It’s a re-do of my TDX session on how to get up and running with Salesforce and Tableau in line really quickly, so that’ll be part of the agenda. But just learning Tableau, it’s a great opportunity to see some amazing content from our community and from inside of Tableau.

Mike Gerholdt: I think you are more correct about the crossover than you realize because I know of a ton of Salesforce admins that love Tableau and generally know more about Tableau than I do. We share many hashtags together.

John Demby: Yes, we do. Yes. And now we’ll add the Flow hashtag here too soon.

Mike Gerholdt: Yeah. So that Flownatics group, that is, I mean, whew boy, if you were the Flownatics and awesome admins, the Venn diagram there is pretty overlapping. And then you start adding in the Tableau thing. We’re getting real close to a Foo Fighters versus Metallica song battle-type concert. You know?

John Demby: There you go. Yeah. No, it’ll be fun. I can’t wait to once we do get Flow out there in the marketplace with our admins. I can’t wait to see the mashup that we’re going to get in the use cases. I’ve got a call later today with a customer that just in broad senses, I think, is a healthcare provider in another country, not in the U.S. And they have collected certain data points within a Vis, and they want to use Flow to kickoff and then recommend the right insurance policy based on demographics and stuff like that.
So, yeah. No, I’m excited that I know we’ve come full circle back to Flow, but if there’s one thing I’m excited about that I think will deliver early next year, it’s the Flow integration.

Mike Gerholdt: Yeah. I mean, while that insurance thing sounds super cool, I feel like there’s still a few industries, well, probably more than a few, left to really disrupt. And that’s one of them. You know?

John Demby: Absolutely.

Mike Gerholdt: Okay. I do put together a few just ad hoc, on the fly, lightning round questions for you because I feel like you’ve been on the pod, and you’ve done expert corner. And we end up talking a lot about Tableau, which is so core to your identity, but little nuggets of information like you sailing get missed. And I like it when our community knows us. And as I saw at Dreamforce, can identify with us and hang out with us. So-

John Demby: And find the guy in the cowboy hat in the crowd. No, you wouldn’t believe the internal Slacks I got from people who did a screen capture saying, “Wow, John, we saw John there.”

Mike Gerholdt: Know where John’s at, yep.

John Demby: Yeah.

Mike Gerholdt: I will tell you that, and correct me, it looked like a vanilla-colored cowboy hat. Is that-

John Demby: Yeah, it was a silver … we call it a silver belly color hat. So yeah. It’s-

Mike Gerholdt: Okay. It looked awesome. I also know you’d have to take me cowboy hat shopping because what I think would look good on me would not. I need somebody to that understands.

John Demby: Well, if you ever come to Fort Worth, there’s a hat store-

Mike Gerholdt: That’s a plan. It’s going to happen sometime in our life because I need a solid … I don’t know what I’d use it for, but to have a solid well-fit cowboy hat … You know?

John Demby: Well, I have a hat store that I take my friends to, and I get all my hats, and literally, they’re what are called open crown hats. So they come out of the box with the dome shape, like if you ever saw … I mean, we’re going to date ourselves, but if you ever saw Bonanza and the hat that Hoss wore, that was an open crown hat. They literally will shape it directly for you right there. You get to watch it shaped, and they’ll shape it exactly for your style and stuff like that. And that’s a-

Mike Gerholdt: [crosstalk] That’s an art.

John Demby: Yeah, it is.

Mike Gerholdt: The people that do that, that’s an art and a skill. You know?

John Demby: Absolutely.

Mike Gerholdt: Wow! Okay. So lightning round questions.

John Demby: Okay.

Mike Gerholdt: Best compliment you’ve ever received?

John Demby: Best compliment I’ve ever received? Wow! Can I say that it’s a compliment that people think I look like Marc Benioff?

Mike Gerholdt: Yeah. You need to get Marc a hat. Oh, that would be cool.

John Demby: Yeah. I know I’ve had people confuse me with Marc at Tableau Conference and at our sales kickoff. And then the really embarrassing one was on Sunday, I flew out to Dreamforce, and my wife showed our grandson, who’s about a year and a half, a picture of Marc, and his first words were Papa.

Mike Gerholdt: Yeah. Well, there you go. You got to probably lose the glasses.

John Demby: Yeah, I know. Yeah. But-

Mike Gerholdt: If you could have only one meal the rest of your life, what would it be?

John Demby: Oh, Tex-Mex, easy.

Mike Gerholdt: Just the whole, all of Tex-Mex?

John Demby: All of Tex-Mex. It could be anywhere from enchiladas to tamales to anything in between, but yeah, Tex-Mex.

Mike Gerholdt: Okay. Who is your hero?

John Demby: My hero? First person that came to mind was Harry Truman, and I read his biography back years ago. And it kicked off an interest in mine to read presidential biographies, and I think I’ve read about 20 or 21 presidents. But Harry Truman is just the interesting plain guy who just happened to be in the right place at the right time and just faced so many critical decisions that I can’t even believe that people today would even have to. I mean, he just seemed like the overall model of a person’s president. Yeah, so Harry Truman would be my guy. Plus, he liked bow ties and dressed pretty snappy, so yeah, I can relate to that.

Mike Gerholdt: If you could meet one person that inspires you, obviously, it could be Harry Truman, who would that be? And they could be alive, or they could have passed on.

John Demby: Wow, these are tough. One person that inspires me? Gosh, I think I would probably like to meet, and this is probably going to be politically polarizing, but I’d like to meet George Bush.

Mike Gerholdt: George Bush senior?

John Demby: Yeah, W. And I’d love to just have a conversation with him about what his life was like right after 9/11.

Mike Gerholdt: Oh, wow!

John Demby: Yeah, I mean, it would be a very pointed conversation, but I would love to just understand what was going through his head and how he was feeling right after 9/11.

Mike Gerholdt: Yeah. No, that would be fascinating. Okay, stranded on a deserted island, but you managed to bring one album with you. Which album did you bring?

John Demby: Well, prior to last week, I would’ve said maybe Hamilton or something like that, but I’ve found myself replaying Foo Fighters a lot.

Mike Gerholdt: Is there a particular album that you like of theirs?

John Demby: Well, I would cheat. I would bring the Apple Essentials.

Mike Gerholdt: There you go. Yeah.

John Demby: The best of.

Mike Gerholdt: You would’ve burned your own, is what you’re saying.

John Demby: Yeah, yeah.

Mike Gerholdt: Okay. Last question: five words that you believe describe you?

John Demby: Five words that I believe that describe me? Passionate, innovative, curious, that’s three, foodie. I definitely love food. Ask anybody that’s ever seen me. And then I guess the fourth one would be compassionate.

Mike Gerholdt: Cool. I have a friend that’s a presidential scholar, loves reading about presidents, so-

John Demby: To me, it’s just fascinating. Every president has had a seminal moment in their life where they’ve had to make a … some of their decisions have not stood the test of time, obviously. And some of them, you could look back, and at the time they made the decision, people didn’t like it. And then history looked at them favorably. And then other times, it proved to be the wrong decision.
I mean, I look at Lyndon Johnson, and he is a hero in so many ways for the things he did for Civil Rights and stuff like that. But then he just missed the boat on Vietnam, so-

Mike Gerholdt: Right.

John Demby: Yeah. It’s amazing the power that comes out of that and the decisions that people make.

Mike Gerholdt: I do believe there’s a reason that, even after a few years in office, they look markedly older.

John Demby: Oh yeah.

Mike Gerholdt: The weight of the decisions, and I think the weight of the amount of knowledge that they have access to probably has to just really, really tear on you.

John Demby: Yeah. Can you imagine? We were talking before the podcast, how everybody takes a brain break right after Dreamforce. Can you imagine the brain break you’d have to take right after being president?

Mike Gerholdt: Yeah. I mean, but even while-

John Demby: Yeah. No. How do you find a way to get away for a day? I mean, there’s no … Is there such a thing as a mental health day when you’re president?

Mike Gerholdt: Right. Well, I mean, name another job that lasts 24 hours a day for four years.

John Demby: Yeah. No, that’s crazy.

Mike Gerholdt: And I think what’s often telling for me is when they get done, the amount of … Parker Harris mentioned this in that conversation he had during Dreamforce, but the EQ that most presidents have after they’ve served because when you look at what they do after they’re done, they head often in a very philanthropic way.

John Demby: Oh, absolutely. And look at what Jimmy Carter’s done. I mean-

Mike Gerholdt: I mean, he’s the North Pole, in my opinion. He’s what, 90?

John Demby: Yeah.

Mike Gerholdt: And he’s still out swinging strong.

John Demby: [crosstalk] Yeah, still wanting to build Habitat for Humanity houses and stuff.

Mike Gerholdt: Yep. Fabulous. Well, John, we could probably talk all day.

John Demby: Yeah.

Mike Gerholdt: I’ll pause this here for now until I can get down there and visit your haberdashery and have some sweet chili without beans. Right? You’re in the part of the country that doesn’t have beans in chili.

John Demby: Yeah, we don’t. No. No, chili does not have beans down here in Texas.

Mike Gerholdt: Texas. That’s fine. Also, chili without beans goes good on hot dogs.

John Demby: Yeah. That goes good on tamales and enchiladas.

Mike Gerholdt: Literally everything except maybe-

John Demby: Yeah, chili goes good on everything. Baked potatoes, yeah, just name it. Yeah.

Mike Gerholdt: We used to have that in high school. Mm. Well, it was good catching up. I’m going to put a link to the Tableau Conference-

John Demby: Yeah, please do.

Mike Gerholdt: … in the show notes. And we’ll do this chat again probably, maybe see how Tableau Conference goes so we can talk in November.

John Demby: Yeah, that sounds good. I’d love to.

Mike Gerholdt: So it was great chatting with John. I surprise threw in that lightning round questions. For those of you that listen to the podcast, know that I asked them of Jay [Segman] and Jennifer Lee, who are also on my team. I think they’re just really cool questions, and I wanted to get to learn a little bit about John because they are working on some really cool stuff with Tableau. And I don’t know about you, but I had no idea that people sailed in Texas, just to sound completely oblivious to that fact.
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